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| Name |
Ida de Tosny |
| Title |
Lady |
| Suffix |
Countess of Norfolk |
| Birth |
<1160 |
Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England  [1] |
| Gender |
Female |
| Death |
Aft 1185 [1] |
| Person ID |
I37400 |
The Hennessee Family |
| Last Modified |
14 Dec 2017 |
| Father |
Sir Ralph de Tosny, V, Knight, Earl, b. ~1140, Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England d. 1162, Flamstead, Hertfordshire, England (Age ~ 21 years) |
| Mother |
Margaret de Beaumont, b. 1125, (Leicestershire, England) d. Aft 1185 (Age 61 years) |
| Marriage |
Aft 1155 |
Leicester, Leicestershire, England [2, 3, 4] |
| Family ID |
F15953 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Family 1 |
Henry II, King of England, b. 5 Mar 1133, Le Mans, France d. 6 Jul 1189, Chinon Castle, France (Age 56 years) |
| _MARRIED |
N |
| _MSTAT |
Partners |
| Not married |
- she was mother of one of his illegitimate sons, William Longespâee, 3rd Earl of Salisbury, (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226)
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| Children |
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| Family ID |
F13837 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Last Modified |
30 Apr 2023 |
| Family 2 |
Sir Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk, b. 1144-1150, Norfolk, England d. 0___ 1221, (Norfolk, England) (Age 71 years) |
| Marriage |
0___ 1181 |
(Norfolk, England) [5, 7] |
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| Children |
| | 1. Sir Hugh Bigod, Knight, 3rd Earl of Norfolk, b. ~ 1182, Thetford, Norfolk, England d. 18 Feb 1225, (Norfolk, England) (Age ~ 43 years) |
| | 2. Margaret Bigod, b. 1182, Thetford, Norfolk, England d. 31 Mar 1237, Ashill, Swaffham, Norfolk, England (Age 55 years) |
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| Family ID |
F15633 |
Group Sheet | Family Chart |
| Last Modified |
30 Apr 2023 |
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| Notes |
- Ida de Tosny, Countess of Norfolk was very likely a daughter of Ralph V de Tosny (died 1162) and his wife Margaret (born circa 1125 and living in 1185), a daughter of Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester.[1]
Relationship to Henry II
Ida de Tosny was a royal ward and mistress of King Henry II, by whom she was mother of one of his illegitimate sons, William Longespâee, 3rd Earl of Salisbury, (b c. 1176-March 7, 1226). For many years, until the discovery of a charter of William mentioning "Comitissa Ida, mater mea" (Countess Ida, my mother),[2] it was assumed that Rosamund Clifford, a previous mistress of Henry's, was the mother, but painstaking genealogical detective work [3] has since shown otherwise. Ida was not the first English royal ward to be taken as a royal mistress. Isabel de Beaumont (Elizabeth de Beaumont), daughter of Robert de Beaumont, who fought at the Battle of Hastings with the Conqueror, was the ward of King Henry I and the mistress of one of his sons.[4]
Marriage
Around Christmas 1181, Ida de Tosny was given in marriage to Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk by Henry II, together with the manors of Acle, Halvergate and South Walsham, which had been confiscated from his inheritance after his father's death (Hugh Bigod, 1st Earl of Norfolk).[5] Ida and Roger had a number of children including:
Hugh Bigod, 3rd Earl of Norfolk who married in 1206 or 1207, Maud Marshal, a daughter of William Marshal
William Bigod
Ralph Bigod
Roger Bigod
Margery Bigod, married William de Hastings
Mary Bigod, married Ralph fitz Robert
Many historians, including Marc Morris have speculated that the couple had a third daughter, Alice, who married Aubrey de Vere IV, 2nd Earl of Oxford as his second wife. If so, the marriage would have been well within the bounds of consanguinity, for the couple would have been quite closely related, a daughter of the second earl of Norfolk being first cousin once removed to the second earl of Oxford.
Ida de Tosney in fiction
Ida de Tosny and her husband Roger are the main characters in Elizabeth Chadwick's The Time of Singing (Sphere, 2008), published in the USA as For the King's Favor. They appear as minor characters in other of her books set at the same time, notably To Defy a King, which concerns the marriage of their son Hugh to Maud, a daughter of William Marshal
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Ida de Tosny was a royal ward who became the mistress of King Henry II. The first evidence of contemporary information about Ida came to light in 1979 with the publication in the of two charters found in the Bradenstoke Priory Cartulary where he mentions "Comitissa Ida, mater mea" (Countess Ida, my mother), until then, it was assumed that Rosamund Clifford, a previous and more famous mistress of King Henry II's, was William's mother. [5]
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| Sources |
- [S51646] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_de_Tosny.
- [S7850] "Ida de Tosny, Countess of Norfolk" biography, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ida_de_Tosny.
- [S8083] "Robert de Beaumont, 2nd Earl of Leicester (1104 - 5 April 1168)" biography, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_de_Bea.
- [S11972] "Ralph (Toeni) de Tony (abt. 1140 - 1162)", Biography, https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Toeni-45, retrieved, recorded & upl.
- [S7022] William Longespâee (circa 1176 - 7 March 1226), http://www.englishmonarchs.co.uk/plantagenet_78.html.
- [S7438] "Lord Robert Fitz Roger DE CLAVERING, 5th Baron Warkworth, 1St Baron Clavering" biography, http://knight-france.com/gene.
- [S7103] "Roger Bigod, 2nd Earl of Norfolk", https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bigod,_2nd_Earl_of_Norfolk.
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